When I first got Rimmel Apocalips, I had to get some lipliners. These are my two favorites- Bourjois #18 'Frambois exquise' and Rimmel #004 Indian Pink. The textures are about the same- not too dry nor creamy, so they are very long lasting. Besides a red one, these are the only lip pencils I have and I really find them great. I use the Bourjois more often just because it matches more shades I wear. Left is Bourjois, Right is Rimmel:
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